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Hogwarts, Hogwarts,
Hoggy Warty Hogwarts,
Teach us something please,
Whether we be old and bald,
Or young with scabby knees,
Our heads could do with filling,
With some interesting stuff,
For now they're bare
And full of air,
Dead flies and bits of fluff.
So teach us stuff worth knowing,
Bring back what we forgot,
Just do your best
We'll do the rest,
And learn until our brains all rot!



1: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2: Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3: There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4: Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6: His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7: The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8: The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10: More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11: Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12: Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Thursday, January 19, 2006

What of Thee, oh Toad? : Toads and Basilisks

Introduction

This post will serve the purpose of several comments I was going to make; but the first thing that I must admit is that I stole the first part of the title (the question) from Pauli ... it was the name of a post he had in draft form that eventually was worked into his post on Neville's Toad Trevor, which was a great post and the main purpose of this post is to follow up on it.

The other comment purpose it serves is a comment I was going to leave on your site JKR2, under your post on reading the magical creatures work, and also connected with another thing from a previous comment interchange we had on your blog. You had asked what the word "chimerical" meant in regards to the Basilisk eventually becoming the "cockatrice" in Renaissance literature. Here is a link to the wikipedia page on the actual chimera creature ... and ... here is a link to a page on the Basilisk/Cockatrice in its later form that sort of let's you see(literally - notice the picture at the top of the page) why the Cockatrice was eventually too unbelievable of a character for continued usage (it works for good symbol-types such as the Griffin and Hippogryff but not as well for evil symbol-types - I think in the good types, when they can give the creature a unique character that symbolizes the mysterious marriage of the elements and can also function in a unified way it works but in the evil types it is difficult to get the elements to link up and it becomes more like a "circus freak" image - both the Basilisk and Chimera classically being symbols of evil)

Of Toads and Basilisks

I'll discuss briefly below how I think Trevor, Black and the Basilisk, as representative of Slytherin, are related symbolically in the work (building off Pauli's excellent observation of the close connection between Trevor and Sirius in POA), but there is first a much more direct link in the actual mythology of the Basilisk. According to the wikipedia article on Basilisks they, "were supposedly born out of a rooster's egg that was hatched by a viper or toad."

ASIDE: There is a real lizard called the Basilisk - and this is mere speculation on my part - but I think maybe the name being used of this lizard MAY have something to do with the fact that it can run on its hind legs, like a human ... which is sort of a direct reversal of the curse on the serpent in Genesis 3 - but this is admittedly just my own speculation.

It is important to note here one subtle nuance of the material that Pauli brought up, particularly that, with Hermione's help, Neville saves Trevor from taking a potion. A while ago we commented on the nature of potions as a wandless magic and some further considerations of the serpent as "cunning" and more recently I have commented on the possibility of Helga Hufflepuff possibly playing some role in keeping Slytherin at Hogwarts as part of the school ( this is in both the post itself and in some of the later comments in the thread ... and in the other post linked just preciously to this, there are comments on why potions still exists as a class at Hogwarts).

Thus, Neville not only saved Trevor from some possible physical damage but also did so by saving him from being under the influence of potions as a wandless magic, which is to say he kept Trevor from the "Basilisk side" of his own toadly nature. This is much like the fact that Harry's saving of Sirius may be a continuation of a possible saving of Black by Harry's parents: It is precisely Sirius' affinity for characters such as James and Lily that earlier in life kept him from being affected by the "Basilisk leanings" in his own familial heritage.

Of Orphans and Dark Wizards

In the post linked above on Hufflepuff I noted the connections of the orphan imagery and in closing here I wanted to note a few other things about it as it relates to this particular topic of the connection between Neville, Harry and Sirius: all three are orphans of a sort and all have been made such by "dark wizards." Black is the most "figuratively" an orphan - his parents were actually alive etc. But he was terribly estranged from them precisely because of the "pure-blood" bigotry so common to dark wizards. Neville is the next in that line of "figurative" because he parents do still live - but they do not live with the mental vitality that they once had and their being tortured into insanity by Bella gives him a very real pain of an orphan. Harry is of course the "fullest" orphan.

I think the levels at which these 3 symbolize the orphan is directly related to what Pauli was talking about as Neville being symbolic of the same "rescuer" aspect of Harry at an albeit more subtle/secondary level, but still a real and important level with really verifiable literary connections in the text. It is kind of like the minor recurrences of motifs that fill out the major motifs in a symphony. The fact that Trevor (via the mythical lore of the Basilisk) and Black also represent the "black" stage or element indicates the important role of the one who is orphaned but turns out to be a powerful aid, in restoring unity in the stages subsequent to the black stage.

Notably, the last two (Neville and Harry) were made orphans in ways directly connected to Voldy. It has been emphasized in books 5 and 6 that Voldy made the prophecy a self fulfilling one for himself by giving Harry his powers on that fateful night that he orphaned him, and this is true even to the level of this connection between Harry and Neville as rescuers, since he not only directly made Harry an orphan, but it was his hench-woman who made Neville an orphan. And I think Neville will somehow fulfill this connection in a significant way in book 7.

(Think of the other connection between Harry and Neville in GOF - who did Neville take to the Yule Ball? Ginny)

POST-SCRIPT

I should note here that I will probably not be able to elaborate much on some of these thoughts without becoming confusing. I think that these elements (Trevor, Sirius, the black stage, the basilisk, Slytherin and cunning, potions as wandless magic, the orphan theme) are playing off of each other in the work but I am not sure it is possible to discuss it discursively in depth without going into the "a man's brain is a bomb" territory, which gets kind of jumbled.

I think that the elements really do work together in the work for Rowling but my suspicion is that even she may not be able to describe how in a discursively clear fashion (although if anyone could I think it would be she, she is a very clever woman, ... or maybe somebody more adept in this particular area like J. Granger - although it must be taken into account that while Rowling is using the medieval Alchemical structure as her main structure, many of the ways she has some elements connecting and develops them is post-modern as well). I suspect that her thought processes may run something like "this just feels right" - sort of like Newman's "Illative sense."
posted by Merlin at 10:56 PM


Comments on "What of Thee, oh Toad? : Toads and Basilisks"

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (January 21, 2006 6:28 AM) : 

the other big reference to toads, or rather 'toad-like' is umbridge.

what conclusions would you draw from that comparison?

jkr2

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (January 21, 2006 10:43 AM) : 

Wow! great observation ... I can't believe I didn't remember those references to her physical character ... but then again, according to your blog you have just recently re-read book 5. so you have an advantage over me :) (and I have been very tired as of late ... I think I'm coming down with a bug)


But, as far as what I would make of Umbridge as Toad - I think Rowling is a social critic as well, and I actually really like her social criticism, especially of what I will call "Buerocacism" or the "ism"/quasi-religious attitude of obsession with Buerocracy as such or a particular buerocracy (to the point of losing site of the goal that particular

To Umbridge the buerocracy of the ministry of magic is the be all and end all - and this is dangerous. In her buerocratic ardor she becomes sadistic (of which the blood-quill is a chilling image) and even considers using the cruciatus on Harry.

As a "toad" as connected with evil would call her the same result you would get if you imposed a number of potions on Trevor - that is to say that she was insane in the way that a person is insane when buerocracy becomes buerocracism, since buerocracy is, in some ways, similar potions in that in and of itself it is a positively existing good (let's face it, in a society such as ours, Buerocracy is a necessity sometimes :) )but one must be cautious becuase they both (buerocracy and potions) have a particular nature that lends them to the perversion (or turning to the dark side) of people who are weaker or not as well informed in their way of looking at the world and keeping an eye out for such dangers. (One can think of Percy Weasely as a sort of younger D.U. ... he's quite a toady himself at times, although hopefully he will be saved in book 7 from reaching full "Umbridge" or shadow-hood).

I think D.U. was looney before she met the centaurs in the woods but meeting them revealed it for what it is, and that this is why she is able to return to woking at the ministry - it wasn't a case that she was sane and then went looney, she was always looney and so are half the people who work in the ministry, like Cornelius "keep fudging things up worse" Fudge.

This fact that meeting the centaurs is the occassion of her looniness being revealed is another instance, I think, of Rowling having at least some kind of "Illative sense" of the true nature of prophecy as "forth-telling" rather than "fore-telling" - encounter with the centaurs reveals D.U.'s true looninenss.

Anyway, that is what I would make of Umbridge being such a "Toady" - thanks for mentioning it, because I always really liked the social criticism she pulled off in the Umbridge character, but just had forgotten her toady appearance.

 

Blogger Pauli said ... (January 22, 2006 12:17 AM) : 

Good call, jkr2! If toad-likeness represents a kind of "leaden" or Saturnine character it would certainly be almost cute on a clumsy school-boy like Neville, but downright gross on an adult witch like Umbridge. She's supposed to have perfected herself beyond the base metals and so her being toad-like might serve to show a kind of arrested development in the wizard world. To go along with this we see her short stature, childish pictures of kittens on her wall, wearing little girl bows in her hair - even a short, stumpy wand.

It does seem that many people in government and large corporations tend to cease developing professionally once they reach a certain level. In the 70's, a guy named Peters coined the phrase "risen to the level of his incompetence", usually referred to as the "Peters principle". Maybe an Umbridge-like character was responsible for the brilliant decision to rename the first HP book "Sorcerer's Stone".

On the other hand we've seen Neville perfecting his character and honing his skills - and by the way, where is Trevor?I can't remember seeing him in book 6, was he in 5? That's when the Mimbulus mimbletonia shows up. Maybe Trevor's disappearance is relevant....

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (January 22, 2006 3:34 AM) : 

trevor is mentioned heaps in book 5.
i am very hindered in all of this because i only own 2 of the books and borrow the rest from friends and thelibrary, so can't refer at will. frustrating!
there are many references actually to him being held in one hand whilst someone (harry or trevor or ron... i don't think hermione does this ever) is doing something else.
is that relevant at all? it struck me a couple of times.

i love the image of umbridge as being in a state of arrested development. the 'girly-girly' stuff gives me such chills, because there is such viciousness there.

percy strikes me more as a kind of thin, peaky, spiky kind of creature. one with no fatlayer or warmth. pursed lips like aunt petunia!
his type of sychophantic adoration of those 'above' him in the system doesn't have the same 'flavour' to me.

in child develpment theory there is said to be this stage they pass through where they are stuck/obsessed/focused on the 'rules'. they become little police officers trying to keep the world in check. when they're supported through it (which in the way i see it, is to model grace in all it's wonderful practicality) they can accept themselves as flawed but loved people, they move past it.

so i see these two characters as definately being stuck in that stage. but in different ways. i don't see percy as necessarily enjoying causing pain. where as umbridge *definately* has sadistic issues goin' on!

how would these two characters be represented differently in the alchemic framework? (or is it my synthetic differing of something that is the same?)

jo

(a couple of the chapters of dada lessons i just want to copy straight out and offer as my argument when challenged on my view of the dangers of beaurocracy in the school system lol.)

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (January 22, 2006 1:53 PM) : 

Oh, on the possibility of Trevor being RAB in hiding in animagus form, this would be especially fitting if RAB is indeed Regulus Black, since he was a former death eater AND has the surname "Blakc" and thus would definitely full under the class of "Toadly Temptations."

And your comments on buerocracy fit in here too, Jo, since his name is, indeed, "Regulus." which also somehow fits with the theme of prohpecy and divination because both Sirius and Regulus are constelations.

 

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