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Hogwarts, Hogwarts,
Hoggy Warty Hogwarts,
Teach us something please,
Whether we be old and bald,
Or young with scabby knees,
Our heads could do with filling,
With some interesting stuff,
For now they're bare
And full of air,
Dead flies and bits of fluff.
So teach us stuff worth knowing,
Bring back what we forgot,
Just do your best
We'll do the rest,
And learn until our brains all rot!



1: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2: Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3: There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4: Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6: His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7: The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8: The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10: More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11: Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12: Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Saturday, April 14, 2007

On A Lazy Saturday With the Hammer Hanging

This should not be taken as a re-appearnce of myself on the site in any regular fashion - as the title indicates, I am in that time of spring semester when 20-30 page papers loom large, to be written in the long, dark, caffeine-riddled nights of the soul.

But Paul forwarded me a link today, sent to him by Mike Aquilina, of a guy attacking the Potter series as a neo-pagan enterprise that simply pretends to add some new fluff to the plight of the modern world. The original piece by Joe Woodard can be read here. The following is the full text of what I wrote in an email to the editor:

Dear Editor,

I was recently reading a piece on your site - well, I should say, a piece copy-and-pasted from your site into a word document so I could actually have the font large enough to read. The piece I was reading was Joe Woodard's article on the 7th Harry Potter book: "The tragedy to be unveiled in the last Harry Potter is a mirror for our age."

As a student in the field I must honestly question how much of the theological, philosophical and cultural tradition of the West Mr Woodard has actually read and digested, or whether he has simply "read up" on things in the likes of Copplestone's summaries and fit everything into the conclusions he already wanted to see. I would be interested to know his credentials, other than having edited a conservative magazine (I have personally worked as an editorial assistant for a conservative publication and know exactly how myopically mindless such editors can be when they get something in their heads, and how little qualification it takes to get a readership that was already ardently interested in being in the constituency of a pundit who thinks a certain way).

Does he even have a BA? Where does he teach in Calgary - an accredited institution capable of confering at least a BA ... or a small Christian school in a church basement? (I attended such a Christian school and my father taught highschool math at that school, which is an absolutley fine way ... but for public debate creditials he would have listed his Master's degree in mathematics and the fact that he adequately taught computer sciences as part of the faculty of an accredited college).

To begin with, the 7th book has not hit the shelf and the death of the protagonist is not a known factor, unless Mr Woodard himself has been keeping a sheep-pin himself and practicing a little back-yard divination (or done some high-technology/magical burglary into the vaults of the publishers and has actually read the now completed, but not yet publicly released 7th book). In the online circles there are legitimate debates that clearly acknowledge the possibility of Harry's death as one possible logical ending to the tale on the grounds of the first six books. There are also those in such debates who, while admitting a certain logic to Harry's death, argue for a greater logic and internal consistency to Harry surviving. Until book 7 is in the hands of the public the issue of whether Harry is more likely to die or to survive is only a legitimately debatable point, and not a known fact. Therefore the parts of Mr Woodard's piece that argue for Harry's death as indicative of a certain amount of "back-peddling" must be discounted as radically deficient argumentation (although some of his language attains such a pejorative level that I have to include sheer hubris and beligerent arragonce in the charge).

Secondly, I am aware that JK Rowling has likened the magic of the "potterverse" (as it is called in some online circles of debate) to technology. I myslef would have to review that statement in particular before speaking "conclusively" but I am aware that she has used the analogy in public forum (it would have been nice if, like a responsible journalist, Mr Woodard had provided such bibliographic information in his piece. It actually woudl have helped his argument, at least with the uninformed reader, to have said "she actually compared the magic to technology ... I'm not just making that up").

Analogies can be used in different ways. They can be used as strict allegories - as in "this thing has a one to one correspondance, in my work, to X in the real world because that is one of the things my work is mainly about is making a distinct statement about this thing." On Mr Woodard's reading JK Rowling seems to be saying "technology is really cool and is pretty much our savior ... oh yeah, I forgot, it hasn't solved our death thing yet, so I better wrap that up with a pretty bow somehow." Analogy may also be used as a sort of "guide" in explaining something - as in "it's sort of like this ... sort of ... but not totally because it is also sort of like this other thing." In the case of magic in Rowling's work, I think there is a bit of both of these ways, or uses, of analogy in her statement of magic being like technology - but NONE of Mr Woodard's fallacious reading.

Magic functions in the works like technology, much in the same way many German philosophers had to come to view science in the wake of the First World War. Tehcnology and science can produce some good effects (having lost my father to cancer last year, I can say that, while it was still living hell with morphine, it would have been exponentially greater hell for him without it and I am therefore thankful for the development of painkillers such as morphine ... If Mr Woodard wishes to press such issues he should "step to the plate" himself and prove his point by dying of cancer himself without the aid of morphine). But Science and technology are also capable of being used for attrocities that we had scarcely imagined before that War. We had always known attrocitious death tolls in wars, but never to the level of concrete grotesqueness as science now afforded us. These uses of technology are, in short, the "dark arts" in the potterverse, and to accuse Rowling of being in favor of them, or even to be so irresponsibly ambiguous in one's statement as to leave it open to the possibility of such accusation against her, is, to me, a great injustice to her and evidence of a thoroughly reprehensible arrogance and academic dereliction of duty and responsibility.

(Aside Note: If Mr Woodard or yourself or others would like an actual education in the nature of strict allegory and distinction of it from something like properly symbolist literature, I would suggest Dr John Granger's treatment of it in The Hidden Key to Harry Potter [Zossima Press] ... certain discussion of it can also be found in the work of Melito, bishop of Sardis, [d. 180 CE/AD])

A Key instance here is Mr Woodard's obvious un-familiarity with the concrete details of Rowling's actual works. He claims that the students at Hogwarts study, among other subjects, dark arts. This is technically a flatly false statement, and at best a case of, given what actually is in text, ambiguity to a level that reveals at best an extremely superficial reading and at worst not reading the texts he criticizes at all before "laying into" them. In point of fact, at Hogwarts only defence against the darks arts is taught.

Now, had one not read the texts or not read them carefully, one might think this a trifling distinction. In text, however, it is precisely mentioned as a sticking point for Dumbledore. He disagrees with the approach of the school called Durmstrang, which actually teaches on the dark arts themselves, under the thought that this is the best way to know how to defend against them. I do not say "under the pretense" of this thought because the headmaster of that school seems to have proven himself not a closet death eater by refusing to return to Lord Voldemort's fold, from which he had reformed, to the extent that he was later found murdered in a shack by death eaters. Karkaroff (Durmstrang) to have been trully reformed and genuinely a good guy now, but Dumbledore seriously takes issue with his philosophy that the best way to teach defence against dark arts is to teach how the arts themselves work. The matter has also been noted by those on the "bad" side: Draco Malfoy relates that his father Lucius would rather have sent his son to Durmstrang than Hogwarts, and Draco specifically praises the dark arts aspects of Durmstrang.

Does this materail sound like a whole-hearted rally cry on the part of Rowling for an unequivocal "technological imperative?" Even in the dimension of magic in her world where, as an image, it connects with the issue of power and, further, specifically technological power (and there are many other dimensions to this image than simply these), the thought cannot be taken as ubiquetous praise for the wonders of technology, and only a mind dominated by American-style politically pragmatic polemics rather than by beauty, like Mr Woodard's, could seriously make that charge (some days I wonder if some of my neighbors to the north have not neurotically out-stripped even the American politicians of our heydays like the cold war, at techniques such as mudslinging, which is quite a feet in itself because those boys know how to fight dirty).

In short, Mr Woodard's statements reveal no less than the same materialism he would accuse the "technologically minded" of our age (in this case such an accusation against them would be accurate, for the most part, as it would be, by and large, against Enlightment rationalism, but it would also be an accurate charge against Mr Woodard and him making the charge is a bit like the proverbial pot calling the kettle black, and, in my mulitple readings of Rowling's work as well as a great deal of pre-modern, modern and post-modern theology, philosophy and literature, the one place the charge would be inaccurate is against Rowling's work). What percentage of his article there was that actually focussed on the Potter works (which was a small percentage and much more time seemed devoted to Mr Woodard's "waxing eloquent" formulations of the dire plight of the modern world) were a simplistic and facile dismissal of the works based in the mere material presence of certain elements in the texts and in Rowling's statements in interview, with no real consideration of the nuances or what was actually being said. I find your publishing of his work to be a serious black mark on your own professional credibility as an editor.

Sincerely,
M. Brett Kendall
PhD Candidate, Theology, Fordham University



Editorial Note: In regards to my speculation on whether Mr Woodard is a clandestine sheep farmer, The reading of sheep entrails was a common form of divination in the ancient world, and one that can be found as an image even in modern movies. The Life of Daivd Gayle starring Kevin Spacey (which I am not necessarily recommending by using it here, simply that I have seen the movie and recognize the use of the motif in it. Although I am opposed to the death penalty myself, I think the argument provided against it in the movie is a faulty one and some parts of the movie at least approach the level of the simply gratuitous ... but not the sheep entrails part, as will be described shortly, there is neither an actual sheep nor any actual entrails in the movie, it is a latent motif) has Spacey, as Gayle, sending something to a reporter whom he has been allowing to talk to him as he sits on death row, such that she receives it after his execution. It is a mid-sized stuffed sheep/lamb doll that had been the property of his child, with a note attached reading "salvation lies within." And within is a video tape that proves that he did not commit the murder he was excetuted for and how the "evidence" that had been taken as conclusive that he did was set up by himself (basically Gayle set the whole thing up himself, in concert with the victim, who was already dying of a terminal disease, as a polemic against the death penalty, which they both actively and publisly opposed. But his complicity in staging it, precisely because he becomes the accused, serioulsy compromises the conclusions that can be drawn from the results, namely that the death penalty results in the execution of people who are actually innocent.) As you can see, reading the "entrails" supposedly provides the key to seeing things aright, to the truth.
posted by Merlin at 5:56 PM


Comments on "On A Lazy Saturday With the Hammer Hanging"

 

Blogger Kevin Stilley said ... (April 14, 2007 9:50 PM) : 

No need to sugarcoat it...tell us what you really think ;)

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 15, 2007 6:50 PM) : 

Kevin,

Well, the guys language was pretty cocky and self-assured for somebody who did not seem to me to have a great grasp of eihter Rowling's work or the philosophical tradition he was and was really "loose-canon" in just tossing stuff out all over the place and "bull-dogging" ... In general I myself tend to be more reserved but when I do come out on something I have a much greater affinity for the Marxist revolution model than that of the blowhard pundit (which is often characeterized by a sense of "sarcasm" and the like that really have little, if any, even trace of true verbal irony or wit and rely rather on pure derisive attitude ... I would rather say straightforwardly, "I think you're one hundred percent full of it ... and maybe it is arrogant of me but I also think you're as dumb as a brick" than couch it in the language that unfortunately passes for "wit" these days), of which there are a great many example (truthfully the much healthier methodology is that of Dumbledore and the Fabian society noted by Travis Prinzi over on Sword of Griffyndor).

But I originally hopped on simply to toss up two other element from Woodard's piece that belie a surface-only grasp of the western philosophical tradition. He lumps Spinoza and Descartes together among the early modern/Enlightenment philosophers who inform Rowling's "stunted undrstanding of education and human reason" (In light of Woodard's own deficiency I find the accusation ironic to the point of absurdity and thus the arrogantly pejorative tone of the langauge to be the basis of license to rip the guy to shreds).

Baruch (or Benedictus in Latin) Spinoza was a 17th century ethicist of Portuguese Jewish decent who was actually barred from the Synagogue because of his philosophy. His ethics were based in his hardlin materialist determinism and thus for him, effectively, the only real ethical action a person could make was to consiously accept the determined natue of the world and history. Whether or not one agrees with Rowling or not, this is not where she falls on that spectrum. She falls at the other end with the French Existentialists (cf Dumbledore's response to Harry in COS that it is our actions anc choices that make us who we are, which is contra determinism, and the respone at the end of OotP and in HBP that the prophecy means something only because Voldemort made it mean something in the way he chose to take it and act upon it).

Secondly, Rene Descartes was likewise 17th century and is credited with being the father of modern philosophy and the beginning proper of the Enlightenment period. You will sometimes here the terms "Cartesian Dualism" and "Descartes' 'Ghost in the Machine'". These both refer to, in his thought, a radical seperation of reality into only two sheres, the spirtual or "res cogitens" (thinking being/thing/reality) and the material or "res extensia" (extended being/thing/reality). First I would highly doubt that Mr Woodard understands Apostolic, Patristic and Medeival Christian thought well enough to realize the sharp distinction that exists between an idea of physicality as "res extensia" and something like St Paul's concept of the body (soma in Greek)as a relational concept (the mode by, or rather in, which the person relates to others and the world and, through instances such as liturgy, one of the key ways a person relates to God, although not the sole way of relating to God), and I would suspect Mr Woodards on view of physicality as such corresponds much more closely to Descartes "Res Extensia" than to the medieval and Patristic concepts from which it radically departed, and indeed much closer to Descartes' concept than are the concepts in Rowling's works, and that Woodard's view of the human person as both a spiritual and a physical being is probably very close to Descartes' "ghost in the machine" (the spiritual "part" simply located somehow in the physical with some type of magical control over it).

If you listen to the formulations of "Wizarding Logic" drawn from the world of Rowling's works by somebody like Steve Vanderark, you will find that one of the precise things about magic in Rowling's potterverse is that it facilitates getting away from this type of "materialist" concept of physicality. In his talk at Lumos last summer VanderArk described "Wizarding Logic" as things being defined relationally rather than materially/spacially because in the wizarding world everything is always only about 40 seconds away, not matter what the physical distance is, which allows things to be defined relationally in a way that encourages thinking about those relationships as we might not have before. He used the example of getting to Hogwart's by the Hogwart's express. Our usual way of thinking about it would be that since Hogwarts is in Scottland and Seamus (I think) lives in Scottland, you would think it would more sense to travel straight to Hogsmeade and Hogwarts for him at the beginning of the school year. But it takes just as long for him to Portkey of side-along apparition to Kings Cross Station in Lond as it does to do the same to Hogsmeade, so the matter is freed up to be relationally determined and realtional elements to be emphasized. Such a student of course goes to Kings Cross Station platform 9-3/4 to board the train like all other students because that is how students get to Hogwarts(riding the train is a part of the social situation that is part of the education at hogwarts)
This is an almost distinctly contra-"res extensia" way of looking at physicality.

I'm not as well informed about Locke and others mentioned, but anyone comparing Rowling's work to Descartes and Spinoza, especially in the strong tones used by Woodard, I have no choice but to consider to be a polemically arrogant, half-educated rube who "has just enough learning to be really dangerous."

 

Blogger Pauli said ... (April 16, 2007 9:11 AM) : 

I think Woodard "awoke a sleeping giant", LOL.

I, too, feel "filled with a terrible resolve" to comment on this, but am indeed pressed for time at the moment, so until I can hang up my hammer for a few moments, cheers.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (April 17, 2007 9:20 PM) : 

For all the philosophising and pseudo-philosophising going on here, on everybody's side, we might all do well to remember that none of us knows what is actually in that final volume, except the people involved in producing it. The pre-publication commentary may leave us all with owl egg on our faces.

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 18, 2007 1:57 AM) : 

Trish,
There are really 2 things going on in what you are saying.

1. The first is that that is pretty much my first point in my letter to the editor. Harry may or may not die. The situation itself is a fairly unique one in the history of literature - to have this much theoretical speculation on a corpus that is not closed yet. Most commentators, with the exception of the likes of Woodard and the likes of their polar opposites on the other side of the "conservative-liberal" divide, thus far have done a pretty decent job of taking account that the final installment ... most of the arguments have run along the line of" there are several possibilities I think would be particularly materially consistent, and of those options I think this one would be most logically consistent with the images or themes [or whatever particular element/s in the first six books in which one chooses to base one's argument]." Mr Woodard is really the only one building an argument on a piece of "canon" that is not yet known or held publicly.

My whole point is that in what has already been put out in 1-6, and as one who has done a bit of study in the field of philosophy (although I'm not an expert ... my field of specialization is Biblical Studies OT ... although I did do my undergaduate BA in Philosophy and literature and am currently sitting in a course on continental post-modern philosophy and its impact on systematic theology), in those first six books I do not see anything bearing the mark of strong concrete influence by what I would consider to be some particularly unhealthy traits of Enlightenment rationalist thought (which is Woodard's claim) and do see a number of things that strike me, if anything, as going in the face of those traits.

But even with that, even if Rowling were to come out in Public and said "I believe Baruch Spinoza was the greatest thinker ever to live and his radical materialist determinism is exacly what I was going for in the Harry Potter series" ... I would have to say, at least based on the first six books and what can be positively said about them even before the 7th book comes out (see point 2), "fortunately you failed miserably at that project ... and your miserable failure at it gave us a quite good series from other angles of thought"

2. The situation, however, is not quite so radically unresolved as to admit of no discussion until the 7th book is out. The books that are out thus far do exhibit certain qualities in and of themselves, traits that can be spoken of before the 7th book is out as long as that parameter of the conversation and what it means is kept in view. If book 7 winds up being a radical change I imagine my line will be one of 3 things:

1. Wow, that took it to a whole next level that I hadn't imagined and sheds a great new light on stuff in the first 6 books through that lens ... kind of like the discovery of the 3rd dimension by a 2 dimensional world kinda thing.

2. The change is one of radical inconsistency ... she dropped the ball in a major way in my book.

3. There were ambiguities in the first 6 books that decidedly leaned one way and then she took them in the opposite direction at the last moment (cf the example below of the Matric movies). So it is not radical inconsistency, but I do think it is a very jarring shift.

A First Example: When I was 19 or 20 I read through the whole Dune series by Frank Herbert in a summer (at first I had a typoe that read "dummer" and changed it, but it might have been appropriate being as the next thing I was going to say along the way was how much it will make your head swim for about 2-3 weeks to read that much Herbert in such a concentrated dose). If you read the first book of that series it is a really good political thriller. Herbert's style is impeccably intense and you are hanging on every word and every turn of phrase or nuance in the way different characters say things because it is positively pouring off the page how tense and volatile the situation is. It's a masterpiece of political thrill, not in the sense that it is an allegory for political happenings now but that it is a timeless story of tension and interaction between individuals and between groups on various levels: familial, planetary,religious, sociological. When you get to something like the fourth book (and 5 and 6, but especially #4 "Godemperor of Dune") you're into a very different thing - that's the part that will make your head swim for weeks: very evolution model based and chapter upon chapter spent inside the head of one character who has evolved to the level of being able to look into his own cells and follow the history of the race back billenia and trillenia upon trillenia to the dawn of human evolution. The series shifts from a straight descriptive political thriller to an evolution/biomedical ethics (e.g. the Bene Thalixeu and their axlotl tanks of cloning) work of asking political and ethical pragmatist questions (such as the assimilation model and prudential questions of how the Bene Geserit evolve as a ruling entity by assimilating the wild card of the "honored maters" into themselves). Thus you can can read the first book as it stands on its own or you can read it as it gets taken up into the shape of the whole series, but either way you acknowledge a shift from the first book to the last half of the series. You migh think the shift is a good thing or a bad thing but either way you see the shift. Rowling's work could take a serious shift at the end where I have to say "if I have to read the whole series through the lens of this last book I have to read it as a failed series, but I really think it's more that she dropped the ball in the last seconds of the game." I don't think that will happen, but it could. And the last book does not completely determine everything that can be said about the individual books and the flow between them thus far ... some things can be said before the last book is out as long as we're clear on where we stand in relation to the closed corpus and are clear about what it is we're saying and what it applies to.

Second Example: The Matrix Trilogy.
There are in the first movie ambiguities that are much more easily taken in a "traditional Christian" direction that the second two movies simply do not leave as much wiggle room for. The whole trilogy is actually very much like Herbert (some direct image lifts too, Neo as the "blind prophet" - the image of course actually goes back to Tiresius but the specific image of a prophet who, through some evolution, can see at least something of the actual physical world before him even though physically blind is from the prophet Maudib/Paul Atreides is transformed into in his appearance in book 2 "Dune Messiah"). You have to read the series as a whole but you can also read that first movie as a stand alone. The second two movies made concrete hardline decisions in their imagery that the first did not and thus was more open to more possible meanings or relations of variant meanings (the trilogy as a whole has 2 major strands: Evolution and Nietzche).

Mr Woodard
The problem with Mr Woodard is what I would call a certain amount of "constituency mongering" ... he has a certain group of people that look to him as an expert and he follows suit by tossing off a certain number of names (like Descartes, Spinoza and Locke) as "evidence" of his pedigree and expertise in what he is saying and purports a much higher level than he actually has, or at least than is evident (the standard in academic journals is that the institution is listed with the byline, indicating that this is the place where the person teaches, although in some levels of publication where the space is shorter and you are publishing to say a highschool, ... I published an article on eschatology in an upcoming encylopedia and I would prefer to have had "PhD candidate" by "Fordham University" behind my name in the list of contributors, but that was not in their parameters for space ... The forum in which Mr Woodard's by line appears exhibits no such traits of spartan use of space and verbage and he could at least give a few more real credentials ... webspace costs the same, on the publisher side, for one viewer as it does for 20 or 200, so you don't have the guidelines of frugality like you do in paper publishing, like always using italics and never underlining etc ... although, it is an oddity that blogger will let you underline in the body of posts but you cannot use the underline tag in the comboxes, which has always puzzled me, but that's not too hard to do most days).

Long and short, Woodard is the one purporting a specialization in this area that justifies his claims tha he should be listened to as an authority on the matter of interpreting the portion of the work that has already come out on the basis of philosophical tenets, as well as the one presuming to argue a philosophical position using as evidence a "fact" that is really as of yet unknown (hence my ribs about whether or not he might secretly be taking a few lessons from Professor Trelawney or trying to best Danny Ocean with a feat of burglary as yet unimagined, to be topped only when he finally raids Gringotts)

me? I'm just a scrapper of a PhD canidate, my fellow first years and I are always barking up each other's trees trying to call bluffs, at least the ones I am good friends with now ... but I am at least verifiably what I claim to be, a matriculated PhD candidate at an institution that has some reputation in these fields, we're not the ivies or Chicago Divinity or Notre Dame but we manage to hold our own on the scene at least somewhat as a rag-tag little band of a Jesuit school ... in other words, I could have put just "Fordham University" which would have been technically accurate but also would have been misleading by the conventions of the trade because it would have implied, although not stated, that I hold a position on the faculty here ... Mr Woodard is just sort of this vague disembodied "authority" for his constituency)

As to the charge of "pseudo-philosphizng" ... I'll own to it readily. At the end of his career St Thomas Aquinas said that all that he had done was straw and rubble ... to a certain extent every even attempt at philosophy or real communication is an absurdly farcical attempt ... but that is where we live and breathe and have our being. And as for owl egg on my face ... in the Bronx if owl egg is the worst you have to worry about you're doing pretty good and I can live with it ... the humility would do me some good anyway :)

sounding my barbaric yawp and still charging windmills,

Merlin the Meandering
("my father was a wondering Aramean")

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 19, 2007 3:03 AM) : 

I was going to throw this in on my last concept and then decided not to because I thought it might be just esoteric self-aggrandizng to do so, but I will throw it out here with the disclaimer that this is only in case anybody is reading who really gets into all this stuff the way I do ... and if you don't, feel entirely free not to read and to say "damn crazy academics, always off in their own little worlds and too dumb to come in out of the rain" ... most days you would not be too far off the mark at all :)

but this thing of philosophizing and communication that I was speaking of as "always a failed attempt" is actually a lot more of a mystery than that because we do actually wind up communicating something or we wouldn't survive: "please pass the potatoes" winds up in you getting the potatoes in your belly and surviving another day etc. and of course it carries over onto levels beyond the merely pragmatic.

In going through all this stuff in my current course on contemporary philosophy and the likes of the "linguistic turn" in continentaly philosphy Ludwig Wittgenstein (the "W" is pronounced as a "V" in German, thus NOT sounding like a really tall moster created by a mad scientist who just happens to be a really funny guy ... I had a passing encounter of Wittgenstein in my first stint in undergrad when I was a clueless punk and barely made it to class, in which the prof said "I think I am only going to have one question on the final and it will be oral ... I will take each of you out into the hall in turn and all you have to do is pronounce Wittgenstein's name properly") and what you can and cannot fit into propositional statements and how you can verify propositional statements (the latter of which is the discipline called "Symbolic Logic" - supposedly, as the story goes, Wittgenstein undid about 1000 pages or something [that # may be just slightlyexagerated] of Bertrand Russel's work on Symbolic Logic in a response of about 70 pages and yielded the much refined and altered current system of symbolic logic) ... the thing that has come to me is an analogy to Xeno's paradox (interstingly, I was having a totally unrelated conversation with a friend who works at Columbia University on the upper west side and her dad had been to visit her recently and she said he was really getting into philosophy recently, which is a sort of change for him because he is in business as a plant manager, said he was going on about somebody or other's paradox, and I said "Xeno's paradox? where [this] is going on?" and she said "yeah, that's it" and I said that was really wierd becuase I had just recently been thinking about it myself).

For any unfamiliar or who recognize the name but it has been a while, Xeno's paradox states that you can never get from point A to point B because by definition you start by going half way there right? and then you are at point a-prime or whatever and you begin to transverse the distance from point a-prime to point b by again going half the distance, to point a-second, and then again half the distance from a-second to B, and so on an so forth and the "halves" keep getting infintessimally smaller but you officially never fully reach the point. And my friend Dom who is in pittsburgh working on Heidegger for his PhD pointed out that that is "by definition" - whereas in actual experience you simply walk to the fridge and get the milk jug without ever thinking of how paradoxical it is, according to Xeno, that you ever actually reached the fridge. I take communication and thought to be much of the same paradox. In the academic fields it often becomes necessary to break the language down and work in it more heavily because if you don't you can wind up "making" statements that can be used by some to justify things you never meant and never would agree with, and that is just simply the field of the humanities, but a lot of people do get influenced by some fallaciously using certain philosophical arguments and so it is necessary for some to do the work, I guess. But you never quite arrive all the way there and at the end of the day are thankful that getting fed simply involves walking to the stove and putting casserole in the oven (or in my case, emptying the can of ravioli into the pan on the stove :) ) without further speculation lol (although on a more serious note, I would say that I think it is a mark of great literature, as in Rowling's case, that you can legitimately enjoy the books on a surface reading without the deeper work, but they also do lend themselves to a really rich study if that is yoru field or your thing)

 

Blogger Pauli said ... (April 19, 2007 11:23 AM) : 

Is Xeno's paradox an example of proto-post-modernism before it's time? To me it seems like an obvious deconstruction. Just asking; I barely know what I'm talking about with the pomo terminology.

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 19, 2007 10:29 PM) : 

Well, Xeno's paradox (actually paradoxes, there are I guess about 8 that we have extant evidence of - I looked and there is a pretty decent run-down at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes) are only akin to Post-modern deconstruction if you accept the precept that "my enemy's enemy is my friend," rather then, with Warren Beatty's Dick Tracy, that "my enemy's enemy is probably also my enemy," and at base tying the two would be fairly anachronistic. Xeno was from the school of Elea in the 5th century BC/BCE and his paradoxes are meant to support and demonstrate the teachings of Parmenides that all change is an illusion and there is simply one eternal "being." Xeno is not trying to show that the reasoning by which the experience of moving from one place to another is undone is fallacious reasoning and that ultimately all reason can be thus deconstructed by experience but rather he is actually trying to use that reason as legitimate to show that the experience of moving from one place to another is simply an illusion.

Now, the methods of calculus are modernly thought to be able to handle adequately the infintessimally small distances upon which his reductio ad absurdum argument rests, and such mathematical reasoning, in its "tyrannical" forms, is part and parcel of the modern thought that Post-Modernism backlashes against ... so PoMo is the enemy of the modern and the modern is the enemyof Xeno here, but - the enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy.

Xeno and Parmenides are trying to undo the universal human impression of movement and change. There is no real "willing" becuase will would effect change, and thus they are fairly inconsonant with French Existentialism.

French Existentialism developed partially independantly of and contemporaneous with the German school of phenomenology, but also partially influenced by it. The German school of phenomenology (which really begins with the recignized "linguistic turn" of Wittgenstein, and then primarily Edmund Husserl and Martin Heidegger as the biggies) was primarily concerned with the "phenomena," which are roughly analogous to the "impressions" that the Elean school were trying to show to be fallacious, so they don't match up there. Further, for Heidegger Western ontology had gone woefully wrong beginning with the Greek focus on "static being," and he focussed rather, like the French existentialists on the world of "becoming" - very contra Parmenides eternal "being."

In the end deconstruction thought is not concerned with the universal impression of change that Elean school fought against, but with the political concern of who wields and controls the "knowledge," with the power language employed by those wielding the meta-narratives of western culture to marginalize the others (here thinkers like Lyotard and Derrida combatting the rationalist met-narrative). In Enlightenment rationalism this grew out of Kant's categorical imperative as a radical application of it [the operation of the individual subjects intellect in constituting the "object of knowledge" by imposing its own categories of knowlesge on the raw sense data that comes from the largely unknowable exterior realm, basically receiving raw matter from the outer "noumenal" world and creating "objects of knowledge," the phenomenal world, by imposing the catefories on the raw matter), and happens even on the level of individuals oppressing each other, which is concept of the "subjective" and "individual" largely foreign to the ancient mind and far from the universal "impression" that the Elean school (Parmenides, Xeno et al) were trying to expose as an illusion.

Thus the philosophical schools out of which Post-Modernism grows are not as much consonant with Xeno and Parmenides who say that movement is an illusion (nothing ever changes) as they are with the Pre-Socratic opposite pole Haraclitus, who said that all is movement and flux (nothing ever stays the same). The PoMos are more consonant with the latter but definitely not totally in line with it, let alone interchangable with it. They would be in conention with it too at points (we are all raging) and possibly partially agreeing at other points with Parmenides (one eternal). It's difficult to compare them without taking into account the historical conditions and particularities in the time and movements between them. Most all philosophical epochs deal with roughly the same issues but in unique ways conditioned by their place in the history of thought (one eternal flame).

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 19, 2007 10:32 PM) : 

sorry ... "extant evidence" wouldn't really be the right word, that usually refers to intact texts that are legible, from an author or source themself/itself ... our main evidence of Xeno's 8 paradoxes comes from Aristotle's interaction with them in his texts

 

Blogger Pauli said ... (April 20, 2007 7:50 AM) : 

U ROCK

 

Blogger Sumara said ... (April 25, 2007 8:12 AM) : 

Hey Merlin,
I'm so tired at the moment that I have very little idea what you are talking about... but, just wanted to say hi. It's nice to see you meandering about Potter.

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 27, 2007 5:30 PM) : 

Hey Sumara,
Don't worry I have very little idea what I am meandering about either ... I'm actually beginning to understand Derrida (I'm not saying "understand what he is saying and agree etc etc" but simply understand what he is saying on the page in a given sentence or paragraph), which worries me I should check myself in somehwere LOL

But I'll toss in one more comment on Xeno and post-modern deconstruction from recent readings. The project can look the same. Derrida's term is "differance" which means the equivocity between "being" and "meaning" ... that the meaing of a signifier (word or phrase) will never be completely synonymous with the signified, the object, the "being" or "essence" of the thing the signifier ("meaning" of the word or phrase) is supposed to signify.

This is very similar to what Xeno is saying only with a very different goal. Xeno is say that by the definitions of math/reason (analous to "meaning"), the change we seem to accomplish and our experience of that change (the "being") cannot really happen by the definitions of the very same thing in terms of math/reason (analogous to "meaning"). Xeno's point is that one or the other must be "right" and following Parmenides he goes with the "eternality" of "meaning"/math/reason/etc. So he is using one side to knock down the other under the idea that it can be done.

Whereas,Derrida and Roland Barthes (structuralism and post-structuralism) see differance as always unavoidable, and it is always "productive," for good or for ill. It can be accepted and learned from or some can take advantage of the language games and structures and the sensation that they do not always suffice, but that they're "supposed" to suffice, and use them to control the "elements" ("being" and the perception of being controled through "meaning") and thereby to control and possess the "other." When that happens is when people need to deconstruct the controlling meta-narratives etc.

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (April 27, 2007 7:37 PM) : 

sorry, a case of the sleepy editor there ... moved in terms of math/reason (analogous to "meaning") to the end of the sentence becuase I thought sounded better there but forgot to take it out at the beginning, so the repeat (called a "dittography")was not intentional.

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (May 20, 2007 6:07 PM) : 

very shorly this will be going up in the comments box of the original essay by woodard, but in a more professional and less biting presentation, although I will not be lessening any of the actual criticism of the piece, simply forming it more considerately and cogently and professionally. I received an email from the editor a few weeks back informing me that their comments interface is now up and running and inviting me, if I liked to I could post my criticism there. And I replied that I would be doing so, although putting considerable effort into reformatting it more professionally and less acerbically (he didn't really ask for that but I figured it is the least I could do for his consideration in contacting me and offering me a public forum in which to voice my problems with the article, and in a place where actual readers of the article itself are more likely to see it).

I told him it would be after my papers were done, which was more than a week ago, but I have been busy running arounding attending different events, trying to pin down summer work on campus, working on some material that I am going to try to get paper-published in regular peer-reviewed academic journals (2 in my field, built from 2 of my papers this past semester, and 3 in pop-culture/lit: 1 on the AK curse in Harry Potter in relation to the thought of Derrida along the lines of "word as weapon", another on the spiderman movie trilogy, and a 3rd on the Pirates of the Caribbean movie trilogy after I see that one this coming week).

For today, though, I have one last little bit of work to finish, and it really is trying to tame chaos ... cleaning the bathroom used by myself and my roomate.

I will post a comment here, or mabe even throw the link up in a regular post, when I get the comment posted on MercatorNet's site.

 

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