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Hogwarts, Hogwarts,
Hoggy Warty Hogwarts,
Teach us something please,
Whether we be old and bald,
Or young with scabby knees,
Our heads could do with filling,
With some interesting stuff,
For now they're bare
And full of air,
Dead flies and bits of fluff.
So teach us stuff worth knowing,
Bring back what we forgot,
Just do your best
We'll do the rest,
And learn until our brains all rot!



1: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2: Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3: There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4: Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6: His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7: The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8: The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10: More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11: Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12: Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Thursday, September 21, 2006

The Never Asked Question

This is quite interesting. I was taking a break from Hebrew and decided to hop on Rowling's site and see if there was any news at all of release date predictions etc, and I saw a section apologizing to a girl who asked in the NYC reading Q & A back in August whether there were any questions that nobody has ever asked her but should, and she drew a blank but thought of a biggie right after she walked off stage. So she put it up under the miscellaneous section of the Extra Stuff part of her site (under the heading "NAQ" for "never asked question") ... and she says it is pretty crucial.

The Question is: why did Dumbledore have James's invisibility cloak to give to Harry? Dumbledore has stated he does not need a cloak to become invisible, so there must be some special thing to be revealed about why he was the guardian of that particular heirloom and the one to present it to Harry. I am short on any thoughts off the top of my head as to the material plot possibilities but anybody who wants can toss interesting theories in here, or links to interesting theories they have seen (JKR says on the site that she has been online and seen that people have done a good bit of speculating on the matter, just nobody has asked her directly about it) ... I'd be really interested to hear what the sleuths have uncovered.

My own thoughts tend to run more along the lines of the centrality of the image - the fact that an image like the invisibility cloak ties so crucially to the central plot line of Dumbledore's central role in the hero's life (that it is the heirloom that he passes on as a protectorate). In this post I talked about how Pauli and JKR2 had been batting around two different analogies for the soul, water and fabric (especially being torn in the making of Horcruxes), and how the invisibility cloak kind of combines both. It is odd that it is such a simple thing ... I mean, Dumbledore can be invisible without one, and he seems to be able to see Harry through the cloak, and Moody can see through it ... it doesn't seem to be particularly powerful magic does it? But then these very instances may be telling. Dumbledore is the one we see being able to penetrate it, and he is the one who passed it on ... seems like there is something about Dumbledore and invisibility thematically.

In HBP it is very conspicuous the way he clearly tells Harry to keep the cloak on him. And even though the idea that sending Harry to get the cloak turned out to be a red herring (on the basis of the NYC summer of 06 revelation, the 5 minutes was not used to swap with Slughorn or Snape etc) ... but the inconsistencies remain there and may be very telling ... he had told Harry to keep it with him at all times, and Harry did indeed have it with him when Dumbledore told him to go get it (I looked it up when that theory was going round and Harry does not grab the cloak when he goes to the common room, he only grabs the map and the FF potion, meaning he had the cloak with him) ... so why does Dumbledore not just ask "do you have your cloak with you?" He is obviously giving Harry a chance to take his own precautions - in short, to be a leader ... but why is it the cloak specifically that is used as the "excuse" to give him a chance to do this? I think there is definitely some meaning there, I just haven't put my finger on it.

And with how central of a role the theme/image of prophesy plays in the series, sight is definitely a major theme ... so what of that magical eye of Moody's that can penetrate an invisibility cloak? And what of the fact that it is a battle-worn auror that has such an eye? And what of the fact that it is an invisibility cloak that a death eater, Barty Jr (who will impersonate Moody via polyjuice potion, which seems to be connected here with the cloak and the theme of perception and deception), uses to watch the World Cup (of our favorite very symbolic sport), where he sets off the dark mark that, if I remember rightly, we will not see make an actual appearance again until the fateful night of Dumbledore's death?

Lots of interesting stuff there ... that usually I would just class under my many meandering questions that longingly await book 7 ... but then she goes and drops something like that on her site - that there is a crucial question ... which just happens to do with said cloak.
posted by Merlin at 4:34 PM


Comments on "The Never Asked Question"

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (September 21, 2006 6:45 PM) : 

yeah, it was a huge thing to say, wasn't it?

my mind has been spinning.

who had it?
why?

and that is a great question about why he asked harry about the cloak.

brilliantly timed jkr ... a lot of the theorising had died down, and now..... full steam ahead again!

nice to hear from you, merlin.

cheers,
jo

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (September 21, 2006 7:01 PM) : 

Good to hear from you too, Jo

yeah ... how did DD get it? I assume James did not give it to him because most likely he would not have been planning on dying ... although I guess he could have given it to him ... if they were in hiding they may not have been planning on dying but may have suspected attack and done it as a contingency plan ... but why the cloak as an heirloom? when we hear talk of James using it at school it is usually in prankstering, not is "serious magic" - all indicators seem to point to it being more of a "fun" thing him ... unless it was not. But if it was and he did not pass it off and DD had to retrieve it, when did he do it himself or who did he have do it (I guess it could be as simple as Hagrid wrapping Harry in it when he brought him from Godric's Hollow ... sort of as a precaution, althouht I don't remember any mention of invisibility when he brings baby Harry but maybe he had it with him just in case he ran into trouble on the way and had to hide him) ... It seems to me like there is a lot for Harry to find out in Godric's Hollow, traces left by those who came after and what they did when they came after and picked up respective items ... Wormtail grabbing Voldy's wand, possibly DD or somebody sent by him retreiving the cloak (if James did not give it to DD before that night for safe keeping to give to Harry later)

Lot's of big questions to be answered in book 7 that she is teasing with little hints now ... makes me want that book so bad :)

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (September 22, 2006 7:47 AM) : 

What about Felicity's theory that Dumbledore used the "5 minutes" to take a swig of Felix? I think that makes a lot of sense to me.

No matter what he did, it was indeed a very odd request.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (September 22, 2006 3:18 PM) : 

No, no, no! The FF theory only makes sense if Dumbledore took the Felix BEFORE he sent the note to Harry. It was Felix that prompted Dumbledore to tell Harry to get his cloak. Felix works with both conscious and unconscious objectives. On the level of conscious objectives, Dumbleodre wanted to see what was in the cave, leave the school protected, and return safely with Harry, so Felix prompted Dumbledore to send Harry back to GT for the IC, which allowed Harry to give instructions, the map, and his remaining Felix to his friends. This would have been similar to the way Dumbledore consciously left McGonagall, Flitwick, Bill, and Remus on patrol ("just in case"). The IC being a protective device ties in well with the idea of protection for Harry outside the school and his friends inside the school. The five minutes enabled Harry to set up his friends with the map to watch for Draco, so the students knew Draco had brought DE's into the school and were able to alert the teacher patrol. The FF also kept them alive during the fight.

As Meep pointed out to me, here is where the unconscious objectives kick in. Bill was down and Flitwick was stunned in the dungeons, so McGonagall and Remus wouldn't have survived against more than a half-dozen DE's. But the Felixed students were able to join the two teachers and hold back the DE's long enough for Draco to reach the tower alone (so that Dumbledore could talk to him) and for Snape to reach the Tower before a DE killed Dumbledore for Draco (saving Snape's life due to the UV). Those were two of Dumbledore's unconscious objectives of the evening.

Even beyond that, I think Bill Weasley's wounds were lucky in the "unconscious objective" way because without the attack on Bill by Fenrir, Fleur and Molly wouldn't have reconciled, and if they hadn't reconciled, Molly wouldn't have offered Aunt Muriel's Goblin-made tiara, which, I believe, is the mystery Ravenclaw/Gryffindor Horcrux. So Bill's injuries will lead to the discovery of the mystery Horcrux, which is another step toward defeating Voldemort, which was Dumbledore Ultimate Objective of the evening.

This seems right to me because it's a parallel to the way the Diary Horcrux surfaced out of the plot actions of a character (Lucius). Dumbledore's research and sleuthing led him to identify the cup, ring, and locket. Harry's dream about the attack on Arthur, I believe, was an event that made Dumbledore first suspect Nagini had been made into a Horcrux. But Dumbledore would never have known about the Diary if Lucius had kept it hidden and safe. And Dumbledore didn't know what the mystery G/R Horcrux would be, so it clearly has to surface by some plot turn, and as noted, I think it makes a nice parallel to the way the Diary surfaced. It also has another Weasley connection (Lucius wanted to discredit Arthur by planting the Diary on Ginny).

I did take a shot at an IC theory, but it fell apart alas when I realized Sirius had been set up that night as well as the Potters. It's here if you want to read a bad theory:

http://felicitys-mind.livejournal.com/4129.html

 

Blogger Pauli said ... (September 24, 2006 10:09 PM) : 

Thanks, Felicity, but I've come up with enough bad theories on my own. 8^)

I'm sure it's well written though.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (September 29, 2006 8:23 PM) : 

Rowling updated her website today.

Under "Rumours"

9/29/06

Rumor: Snape was hiding under the Invisibility Cloak on the night the Potters died.


Answer: No, he wasn’t.

 

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