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Hogwarts, Hogwarts,
Hoggy Warty Hogwarts,
Teach us something please,
Whether we be old and bald,
Or young with scabby knees,
Our heads could do with filling,
With some interesting stuff,
For now they're bare
And full of air,
Dead flies and bits of fluff.
So teach us stuff worth knowing,
Bring back what we forgot,
Just do your best
We'll do the rest,
And learn until our brains all rot!



1: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2: Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3: There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4: Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6: His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7: The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8: The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10: More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11: Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12: Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Monday, March 13, 2006

Good point regarding "lap dog Snape" from a reader

Drew is a reader of our humble weblog and I promised him that I would read his ideas and put something up if it was good. So here are some of his thoughts about Snape:
I know there's been a lot of speculation about whether Snape is truly an evil character, or if he really is on Dumbledore's side. As much as I love to hate him, I've been leaning more and more towards the idea that Snape has been a force for good throughout the books. I'll list the reasons I've been thinking this, although I'm sure you've heard some of them before. Of course, the deciding factor of this question is whether or not Dumbledore died by murder, or according to Dumbledore's own orders. From listening to the audio books a couple times, I am of the opinion the Dumbledore ordered Snape to let him die.

To set the scene for this hypothesis, cut back to the scene in Spinner's End at the beginning of HBP. Snape tells Narcissa and Bellatrix that he's managed to stay in Dumbledore's confidence by being his "lap dog". Snape has continued his service to Voldemort by staying close to the OotP, gathering information and following the orders of Dumbledore.

In the Birthday Surprises chapter, Hagrid lets slip that he heard Snape and Dumbledore arguing
in the forest. Snape said that he "didn't want to do it anymore", to which Dumbledore replied that "you've agreed to do it, and that's all there is to it". Now, if Snape were truly pretending to be Dumbldore's "lap dog", it hardly seems fitting that he would argue about his orders. Pets do what they're told. That leads me to think that Snape was arguing against these orders out of his own conscience, and not in the service of Voldemort. This would fit well with the theory that Dumbledore ordered Snape to pull the "death stopper" on him.

Now flash back to Spinner's End. When Narcissa asks Snape to help Draco fulfill his mission (i.e., to kill Dumbledore), Snape pauses before agreeing. I believe he was thinking - calculating, if you will - that there was no reason that he couldn't make this unbreakable vow, and still be following Dumbledore's orders.

Finally, I'd like to point out that, for all his hatred for Harry, Snape has always maintained his image of a forceful instructor. While he no doubt takes pleasure in causing deriding Harry and his work, Snape is also always demanding perfection, which is every teacher's ideal result from a student. In the Flight of the Prince chapter, Snape tells Harry that he must master non-verbal spells. I believe that there is one last lesson hidden in that scornful comment.
I really like the "poor lap dog performance" argument for Snape being on Dumbledore's side. We could imagine Snape's argument as described by Hagrid with Dumbledore being a little like Harry's arguments - ultimately Harry listens, but more like a opinionated friend than a eager dog.

As far as Drew's take on the vow, the pause and the calculation goes, I would describe myself as wanting to believe, although I think it's a little harder to make the good Snape argument based on this little bit of evidence. Reading this did remind me that Snape knew about Dumbledore's "injury" at the time of the scene at Spinner's End because he mentioned it. Hmmmm...

Thanks for the contribution, Drew. I do hope we find out in Book 7 that Snape has been on the right side.
posted by Pauli at 10:09 PM


Comments on "Good point regarding "lap dog Snape" from a reader"

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (March 15, 2006 5:35 AM) : 

mmm i think when he referred to himself as dumbledore's 'lapdog' he was playing up the role for the audience you know?
i suspect he feels a deep loyalty to dumbledore, but not neccessarily the affection and/or subservience, which is suggested by the term.

i guess a third option is that he's playing both sides off against each other. this doesn't ring true for me, though, as he's placed himself in some really risky situations which would indicate more is at stake...

how satisfying is it going to be to read the story....

jo

 

Blogger MommyLydia said ... (March 18, 2006 1:36 AM) : 

Check out the editorial at: http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thenorthtower/nt42.shtml

What if Dumbledore trusts Snape BECAUSE Snape only took half the prophecy back to Voldemort? Even before I read this editorial, I was thinking there were quite a bit of inconsistency in the story we weer told in HBP and what we had told before. This -- also gives a GREAT reason for Dumbledore to trust Snape.

As well as a shiver as you realize that this means Dumbledore was behind the death of Harry's parents...

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (March 18, 2006 4:39 PM) : 

by 'behind' do you mean - unintentionally responsible?
YIKES!

jo

 

Blogger Pauli said ... (March 20, 2006 12:10 AM) : 

Whoa, that was pretty cool. She wrote this last September.

Maybe if this stuff is true, the Potter's were warned what was going on ahead of time. Then there was a complex sting operation involving secret-keeping and ambushes....

I don't know, I think she's onto something about Dumbledore hiding part of the prophecy over-hearing story for sure, but like so many other scenarios it doesn't feel Rowlingesque enough for me. Fun though, and cool that so much of those numbers are available via Umbridge's assessments.

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (March 21, 2006 7:47 PM) : 

Drew, I liked your comments ... I don't think you can go wrong paying attention to Snape's role and character.

And I do think it is a point in the novel whether or not DD shares some culpability for the death of the Potters. I'll be touching on this in an upcoming post that touches on the responsibility and character of the pedagogue (a term which I choose over "teacher" because in its classical usage it carries a stronger tone of "formation" rather than simply teaching) ... this will be a post on Snape too, and his character as an instructor.

 

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