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Addendum to "Literary Approaches"
The Bronx Brain Bomber
Good point regarding "lap dog Snape" from a reader
It's All Right, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding
Chiastic Bookends
Granger's site alive and well
Not beyond the Veil yet ...
Memories: Part I
Fluids and Fluidity: Potions and Horcruxes
On Seekers


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Hogwarts, Hogwarts,
Hoggy Warty Hogwarts,
Teach us something please,
Whether we be old and bald,
Or young with scabby knees,
Our heads could do with filling,
With some interesting stuff,
For now they're bare
And full of air,
Dead flies and bits of fluff.
So teach us stuff worth knowing,
Bring back what we forgot,
Just do your best
We'll do the rest,
And learn until our brains all rot!



1: The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2: Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3: There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4: Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5: Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6: His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
7: The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8: The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9: The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
10: More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11: Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
12: Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13: Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14: Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Tuesday, March 21, 2006

Riding Death: Thestrals and Mysteries Theological

We all know that death and how to approach it properly are key Rowlingian themes. With a villian named "flight from death," how could it be denied? This post is about a central image if this theme that appears towards the end of book 5 - riding the thestrals - and how that image connects to what immediately follows it - the Department of Mysteries.

Death Riders

One immediate fact that escaped me until I sat down to write this just now, is what I'll call the "titular tip-off." There is a use of irony/word-play to point to the siginficance of the image, an irony in the title of the chapter in which the image is introduced: Voldemort's name literally means (as just mentioned) "flight from death," and the chapter which introduces the ride of the Thestrals is, "Fight and Flight."

Here I'll only note the core of the image: One can see Thestrals only if one has witnessed death, and the group must trust/accept and ride these beasts of death to get to the Department of Mysteries and arrive at the main action of the story. Rather than flying from death, they must trust death to help them to fly.

Blood and Prophecy

I sort of covered some of the material I was going to cover here already in the "It's All Right, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding" post, so here I'll simply note the primary image in this specific context:
The Thestrals are "called" by the blood of Grawp soaked into Harry and Hermione's clothing and robes. They were not the ones, however, who shed Grawp's blood - this was done by the seers, the diviners - the centaurs. This is getting into the realm of mysteries that one cannot understand in the "logical" way (although there are understandings of other sorts that connect more directly with true wisdom), but there is, I believe, a connection here with the later revelation that Dumbledore heard the original prophecy, and hence his connecting that issue of prophecy with his own admission of guilt in the fact that Harry feels like he is bleeding to death.

The Mysteries of Life

That circular room at the center of the Department of Mysteries is really the key ... we think that the thing is really just a hurdle to jump to get to where he wants to go, the hall of prophecy, but it really is the true center. From here are accessed all the mysteries of life: Death, Love, Time-bound human life, Thought ... and "prophecy."

But, while we will probably return here in book 7 and the mysteries of death and love will be central, in book 5 Harry is headed for the hall of prophecy and there are a few interesting things to note in that particular path. First, how do you get to the hall of prophecy? - You have to travel through the room of time. In this room we have "Chronos" in the form of all the clocks; and we have Kairos in the form of the beautiful bird continually rebirthed from the lovely egg (for the meaning and significance of these terms, "Chronos" and "Kairos," see the "Narrative Defined" post linked on the left side under "Internal links"). Secondly (and I am not entirely sure yet what all to make of this, but it's darn interesting to me) - who gets enraptured by the bird in the bubble? - Ginny, Harry's eventual "soul mate."

All I can say is that life is simply a mystery. There is much to be criticized in this approach to prophecy as "fore-telling" rather than grasping that it is really "forth-telling;" but, like Harry going through the hall of time, this is the time-bound path we travel, with all its confusion and red-herrings. Along the way, the lover gets enraptured by Kairos, sometimes it is a distraction and sometimes a blessing ... it's a mystery - "It's all right, Ma, it's life and life only."

Prophecy and Pedagogy: Dumbledore's Dilemna

I haven't read the editorial yet that is mentioned by Pauli and MBR in recent comments, so I apologize if I am rehashing material there, these are simply my thoughts as they arise in the context of asking that question of what all this says about Prophecy.

For there is a serious question here regarding the role of prophecy and Dumbledore's pedagogical deciscions concerning it, and the effects these deciscions had (ie, what has been asked in some recent comments on DD being "behind" the deaths of the Potters). First of all, here is the "logical argument": If DD had stuck with his orginal plan to discontinue divination as a subject (and I think that the way Rowling paints Divination and Astronomy, we can say with relative confidence that in general she views this as a better path) then the prophecy never would have been made, at least not in a place where it was heard by a death eater who then went and told Voldy, and Voldy would not have targeted the Potters and Harry specifically at this time.

It is quite a central question. If we look back at book 1 and then follow a certain thread throughout the whole series, we find a stark juxtaposition between 2 institutions, the political and the pedagogical. In book 1 Hagrid tells Harry that at the time that Voldy went down, lots of wizards wanted DD to become minister, but he chose to stay at Hogwarts as headmaster, he chose pedagogy as the better path. But we notice that both institutions have a certain level of the "divination mentality." Hogwarts has it as a class and The Ministry of Magic has a hall of prophecies (if you want to see a central connection ... If my memory serves me right, ministry-minded Percy was the one who recommended to Harry that he stick with Divination as a class).

In the end all that I can answer is that I love Dumbledore (well, as much as one can love a fictional character, but you know what I mean) and I think that if he is culpable it was a mistake made trying generally to follow a better path (he took the prophecy as an excuse to hire Trelawney, but his core reason for hiring her at all is the same reason that he allows her to stay in the castle after being sacked by Umbridge ... Charity), and that it is a "Felix Culpa."

Here is where I see value in Red Hen's thoughts. RH's thought here is that even Voldy was inevitable from a certain set of princiles accepted by the MOM ... the main principle being the acceptance of allinace with the dementors. My thought is that, even had DD not continued divination as a subject, the Potters might not have died when they did, but they probably would have died un-naturally at sometime because Voldy would still be at large. The fact that it is a "happy fault" does not make it no longer, in and of itself, a fault ... but it is one with a surprise happy ending in the undoing of Voldy and ( I think) a serious and much needed "about face" by the MOM in certain core approaches (and, like I said, I think that even though DD's action was "faulty" he was trying his best to be charitable, especially in hiring Trelawney)

This presence of "Felix Culpa" is one reason that, despite the complaints of many that there is an "absense of God" in the books, I believe that, like in The Lord of the Rings, there is a presence of "providence" (hmmmm .... might the very name of the luck potion in HBP be a hint that this presence of the "Felix Culpa" is conscious on Rowling's part? who knows ... :) )
posted by Merlin at 7:48 PM


Comments on "Riding Death: Thestrals and Mysteries Theological"

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (March 21, 2006 10:05 PM) : 

lovely to read your thoughts again, merlin.

i was under the impression that dumbledore felt compelled to offer trelawney the job to keep her safe, now that she had made this fateful prophecy. if it could be traced back to her she would be in danger.

slightly related - do you think that snape learnt occlumency at this point, as a result of the dual role he found himself in, or that he already was accomplished in the area?

and i love dumbledore. i think we are supposed to. rowling speaks of him in the most affectionate/reverential of terms.
i think to be 'receptive' to the books and the world they are presented in, you need to be receptive to the idea that dumbledore is goodness (human, flawed, but good all the same) and not manipulative and grossly mistaken.

jo

 

Blogger MommyLydia said ... (March 21, 2006 11:48 PM) : 

Why wasn't anyone on guard outside the Department of Mysteries the night Harry and his friends arrive?

Had the Order decided to stop guarding for some reason?

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (March 23, 2006 12:11 PM) : 

Jo,
I dropped a comment on the addendum on the literary approaches post, in responce to your comment there ... thought I'd mention here just in case you happened to check this post rather than the other, since this is a recent post. My comment is long and muddled but maybe there is something in it worth the read. :)

Anyway, here ... I think protecting Trelawney is a real motive, but is pursuant to the discovery that the prohpecy was overheard. AS far as DD's "culpability" I simply mean that he tells Harry he had not ... in way, DD knows Voldy's mind, knows that he would consider prophecies as such a , and thus even before that particular prophecy was spoken, any such potentially great seer (as the great grand-daughter of what's-her-name)

In short, I think the decision to interview ST in the first place, the decision to hire her to protect her, and the decision to let her remain in the castle after being sacked ... are all part of the same charity on DD's part. I think this is all part of the opportunity DD presents Harry (and Rowling presents us) with - the opportunity to experience first hand the temptation of the lure of Voldy's way of thinking about "we fools who love." That is part of human diginity, to be shown the raw material and arguments and have the chance to do the much more diginifed thing on our own, the much more dignifed thing of actively rejecting the bad way of thinking because we have worked through on our own what it is, we have not merely been "sheltered" as a child, but we have stepped up as an adult and addressed the concept on even footing and rejected it like a mature adult dealing with the harsh realities of life.

MBR,
That is a VERY good question ... I don't have an answer off the top of my head but I think that the answer, whatever it is, may bplay a significant role later.

The only guess I can hazard is that it may be as simple as that with the attack by the snake the Order reached 2 conclusions:

1 - that they would now have to trust to "providence" in that matter and not put their members at such risk.

2 - that the fact that Voldy sent the snake is evidence that he does not want to put himself at that much risk of capture and thus his entering there is not so much of a risk, and nobody else but Harry could retreive the prophecy record. This sort of connects to consideration one - Naginni is no threat in actually being able to take the prophecy (even if the snake did have hands), but it does pose a serious threats to anyone gaurding the door.

However, it is very possible that there was supposed to be somebody on gaurd that night and there was not and that the person (unknown yet) was a traitor or doing something else that will play an important role in book 7.

good observation, though, hadn't noticed that one

 

Blogger Merlin said ... (March 23, 2006 12:17 PM) : 

Sorry, forgot to complete my thoughts again in that last comment

... DD tells Harry that he had planned to discontinue Divination, so why did he interview ST (especially considering that his not doing so is what yielded the prophecy encounter, which yielded the Potter deaths)?

... Given Voldy's trust in "prophecy" (he obviously considers this one to be a "great weapon") Such a potentially powerful seer would have been at risk no matter what, even before she made that prophecy she may have been on Voldy's list of people to bend to his service if he could get to her.

 

Blogger jkr2 said ... (March 23, 2006 3:31 PM) : 

why did DD interview ST? he says it was as a courtesy to her as the descendant of a true seer.
i can see this as pointers of the same graciousness, and also of the continued double standard jkr highlights of heredity.
it comes up a lot don't you think? how wrong it is to jump to conclusions about someone based soley on their 'blood' (half blood, pure blood, muggle born).
it is presented as a 'good thing' to not judge someone on that, but then harry is constantly either accepted or rejected on the basis of being his father's (or mother's) son. malfoy is rejected as being a bad egg in the same way.

what jkr does ( i think really cleverly ) is to highlight that it's not a simple thing to let go of, because heredity and environment *are* influences that can influence someone. but not DEFINE them.
there are still choices.

just some loose change to throw in.

jo

 

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